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Which Path Do Yo Choose?
1a
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1b
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 7% [ 1 ]
2a
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 29% [ 4 ]
2b
7%
 7% [ 1 ]
3
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4
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Chris
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PostSubject: The Future of US Fri 08 May 2015, 3:43 pm

Welcome to pick your own adventure, US-style.

I don't quite know where we are at with... well everything, but I think we should decide on a concrete path to embark on as a site - as a community. The sooner the better, and the more united we are, the sweeter.

I think there are 4 distinct ways we can advance from here:


  1. Go back to the old Rankup system.

    1. Stick with the old system while Trey finishes his new revamp
    2. Stick with the old system period, at least for the time being.


  2. Stick with the new Rankup system.

    1. Lower the missions counts, but stick with it
    2. Stick with it until Trey is finished with his new revamp


  3. Commit fully to Trey's new system. Let's get it out as a unit, with finally some input from the members (not saying it has to be a 100% democratic process, but let's avoid the mess of an admin randomly implementing an ex-mod's system***), as fast as possible. Put most things on hold for a time being to allow the staff to focus.

  4. Start a new site for Trey's new system. US is an old site and while there are many good things about it, there is also a lot of bad. Maybe a fresh start - a blank slate would be better than trying to "re-paint" US yet again. Heck, Jonh's code is still unfixed xD The rules are contradictory, unspoken or implied, Adam is fixed owner of the site, and there are too many assumptions, shenanigans and conventions that plague the site; not to mention bad blood and bad history.


You may be surprised, but I would support option 4 myself.


***Sorry in advance. I can't help being me


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Mugen Kousen
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of US Fri 08 May 2015, 4:01 pm

From what I've seen, the stuff Trey has been working on wouldn't affect evals at all. So I am not so sure that these four choices all fit nicely on a single poll. What if I want the old eval system AND Trey's update for example?

Also, from they way you word things, I makes it seem like you're actually talking about the new rank up system, not the new eval system. Either way, that discussion deserves its own separate poll. As for Trey's update, until the actual system is shown publicly, it's kind of unfair to ask people to make any decisions around it. But it's an overhaul to the entire site more or less.

Usually I'm all for polls and user feedback, but in this case I don't think this poll is executed in the most efficient manner. I hope you take this critique positively and make edits to it. Otherwise I'll have to refrain from voting simply due to my aforementioned concerns.
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of US Fri 08 May 2015, 4:06 pm

That's me being a goof. I meant the rank up system all along my bad xD Fixed.
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of US Fri 08 May 2015, 4:15 pm

Voted for 2a because I still like the idea of accomplishing goals to rank up rather than simply accumulating points. But I also don't want to force the original verson down people's throats. I'd like to work on not only lowering mission counts, but also making socials a more integrated part of ranking up like Ms. Money and I discussed.

I ignored options 3 and 4 because Trey's system hasn't been made publicly available for viewing yet so I'm kind of boycotting that half of the poll more or less. I don't feel like fair votes will be made on it based on the thread he put up because it honestly doesn't do a super great job of explaining the work he's done so far. That being said, I'd probably vote for 4 so long as we have someone capable of building the new site and making the move worth our while. That doesn't just mean posting all the systems, but making it look sexy enough that new members would actually join.
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of US Fri 08 May 2015, 5:09 pm

Y'all mofos gonna have to reimplement a new "legacy" system to. Cus remember that one part in the rules where your character gets killed, your next character gets 30% of their MP and EXP? Yeah, that means jack shit anymore if y'all gonna insist on an explicit, X amount of missions to reach rank Y.
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Hiruzen
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of US Fri 08 May 2015, 5:20 pm

I'd say just stick with it like everyone else. The things that are to come won't stop any of you from RPing now or in the future. We are in the middle of an Event where people need to be posting instead of letting their thoughts be known here. I get why this thread was made, but this is not helping at all. US will be US, and the less drama you bring in that scars away new members, the better it will be. I took up the spot of Trial Mod because I wanted to help the site as much as I can, and I have been working my ass off to make sure everything is up to date as much as a Trial Mod or regular Mod can in this situation. I don't ask for any gratitude or anything, though it would at least be nice if people kept the Doomsday/Ragnarok threads out of the site until the point comes when the site is actually dying.

People will soon come back once school/college stops being a bitch, and I for one intend to be there when activity starts spiking again. Aside from the new system I don't doubt people will like or want to complain about when it gets here, we all know that the old system was crap. Before, people could ascend to the rank of Sennin in a few weeks if they were active, and I don't think that should be the case. I told people my thoughts about the new ranking system and it was worked out to the point where I personally am happy with it. I know most of you don't care whether or not I like it, but just keep in mind that I ranked up two characters to S rank in my time here on US, so I like to believe that my input as one of the truly active roleplayers would at least account for something.

When you make an End of the World thread, it might be a good thing to have it put up by someone that actually earned the right to do so. I mean, people had to skip you several times in an Event you signed up for yourself, you have been in charge of a village and left it to fend for itself and are now tolling the bell that chimes in the end of the site. Just go with the flow of things, keep RPing like you normally would (or wouldn't) and keep the entire Ragnarok threads away.


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PostSubject: Re: The Future of US Fri 08 May 2015, 8:19 pm

BK-201 wrote:
Y'all mofos gonna have to reimplement a new "legacy" system to. Cus remember that one part in the rules where your character gets killed, your next character gets 30% of their MP and EXP? Yeah, that means jack shit anymore if y'all gonna insist on an explicit, X amount of missions to reach rank Y.

1. I can't find this Legacy System anywhere in the rules board or the threads within.

2. Let's say it is a real rule/system and I just couldn't find it or it got mistakenly deleted. Doesn't matter. It's an easy change to say you inherit 30% of your AF instead. As for being able to inherit a higher rank, you can already get approved at higher ranks without needing a previous character.

I understand you're not happy with the rank up system updates and you're welcome to voice your concerns about it. However I don't think the legacy system would be terribly affected by it, all things considered.
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of US Fri 08 May 2015, 9:10 pm

I'll say it again. This is not the time for a thread like this. As things are going now, everything is moving pretty smooth. We have an event going where a lot of people are working on earning their points, we are working on fair numbers for ranking up and more. US has always been undergoing changes, that is really nothing new, so I do not see the point of a thread like this.
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of US Sat 09 May 2015, 8:23 am

Mugen Kousen wrote:
BK-201 wrote:
Y'all mofos gonna have to reimplement a new "legacy" system to. Cus remember that one part in the rules where your character gets killed, your next character gets 30% of their MP and EXP? Yeah, that means jack shit anymore if y'all gonna insist on an explicit, X amount of missions to reach rank Y.

1. I can't find this Legacy System anywhere in the rules board or the threads within.

2. Let's say it is a real rule/system and I just couldn't find it or it got mistakenly deleted. Doesn't matter. It's an easy change to say you inherit 30% of your AF instead. As for being able to inherit a higher rank, you can already get approved at higher ranks without needing a previous character.

I understand you're not happy with the rank up system updates and you're welcome to voice your concerns about it. However I don't think the legacy system would be terribly affected by it, all things considered.

It's not actually called the"legacy" system. It's in the rules under approved deaths.

Old system: "Golly gee! I RPed so much with my last character before they died, my next character can be of higher rank, regardless of the approval of fickle staff!"

Proposed change: "Oh hey, I RPed so much with my last character before they kicked the bucket, I can buy a few extra jutsu after approval."

Show of hands, who thinks that first perk would be a whole lot more awesome to earn?
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of US Sat 09 May 2015, 9:01 am

Can we just do it for the new people that join..... some ppl rp just to rank up (like i do), doing the bare minimum with a little extra perks. I understand that we need a new system and people have their ways they want to do with their char... i like the old system but then again i havent gave the new system a try... i could be s rank soon but i can tell its going to take a long time for me to rank up. But in a way it will show growth in a char and that is not a problem...
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of US Sat 09 May 2015, 10:11 am

If you want to gather your crew, make a new joint and find your own One Piece, you're more than welcome to go ahead. Talking for the sake of talking is useless and it gets us nowhere. Technically to know that the new ranking system is bad you still need to finish a topic and submit it to evals, if memory serves the only topics still rotting in the eval section are mine.

I know that it's just you being you but new people joining in may not get you and think that the site is actually considering some sort of a giant Exodus which it is not because I doubt our Moses even has enough time (or is willing to put enough effort) on his hands to gather up his crew and head out. If you don't like the system you are free enough to leave, leaving a community because you disagree with the way they do things is a political statement and you still have that right.

However you do not gather in the Rome's senate and talk about how it's dying and we need to gather all the Romans and move them to Barbarland just because you don't like how the new Emperor is handling things. For the one simple reason because it's not true. Currently the Staff is past its crisis, I'm hopeful that eventually we'll gather some people or get some old ones back.

So... Write an actual topic, dunno, might even like it and reconsider this revolución stuff.
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of US Sat 09 May 2015, 1:19 pm

Ruka wrote:
Currently the Staff is past its crisis

Like a Star @ heaven You're welcome Like a Star @ heaven

But yeah, I do pretty much agree with the above stated by Ruka. That said, I also agree with what Travis said. In my opinion, we should try to find a way between what we used to have and what we have now. When a Character dies, it is not that far a stretch to compensate the person who lost their character when making a new one. In a way, it just rewards the person RPing for continuing to RP once they no longer have their old character.

Now I also get that we are in no way entitled to such things, though I just think that it would be a good thing to at least consider.
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of US Sat 09 May 2015, 10:24 pm

I actually didn't have the intention of making the "legacy" system useless. Once the actual system tweaks were sorted out properly, I was going to change it to be a percentage of those objective counts AND your remaining funds would transfer over (AF, not EXP/MP which are pointless in this system) - that way, when you get a new character, you actually CAN start with some extra progress, AND you have monies to buy things with after approval - which, for somebody like Travis, Heiða, Ruka, even Vergil, would mean you'd have a LOT of funds to work with. Granted, it still wouldn't apply for suicides at this point, but I think giving suicides a much lower return rate might be something to consider.
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of US Sun 10 May 2015, 3:54 am

From what I've seen as an impartial person who has yet to deal with either ruleset it's tough to pick either one. Ultimately what's easier for the mods is the best idea, I mean most thing's considered, but the mods make the wheels turn. So an improvement for that trickles down to being improvements for everyone
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PostSubject: Re: The Future of US Sun 10 May 2015, 4:46 am

I will reiterate that the point of this topic was to try to get the site as a whole to agree on a course of action and set about fulfilling it. We are already split on a number of issues, and there hasn't been much of a solution, other than the staff standing by their decisions and unbudging; plus pandering to certain members to get them to desist.

Since they are unlikely to change that stance, we might as well give in and commit to which lesser evil is preferable (because fuck having opinions, right Ruka? I don't understand your Roman Senate metaphor, but it sounds like me trying to get everyone to have input is a bad idea)

This is not about an Exodus or splitting the Red Sea or whatever other bullshit. Ultimate Shinobi is just a place we hang out on. The people we hang out with are what's important. Suggestion #4 is not about splitting us up, it's about just leaving this apartment (US) and moving into a condo (new site). Sure the apartment has sentimental value and we had good times in it, but the new condo will be better, more efficient and will be a fresh start, where new memories will be created. There. Suck on that metaphor.
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